Minutes of the DLS: April 24, 1997

 

The Meeting was called to order at 7:40.  5 first time guests and 5 second or third time guests rose and were recognized.  The critic for the night was to be appointed by the judges of tonight’s program, which was: The first bi-annual “Put Your Mouth Where Our Money Is!” Speech contest.  ALL TEN GUESTS SPOKE, and spoke well.  Applause was heard in spades.  In short, the first bi-annual “Put Your Mouth Where Our Money Is!”   Speech contest was a complete success.  Let’s hope there is a second.

In committee reports: Mr. Shumaker rose to announce the oration declamation on May 22.  Mr. Bowman rose to announce the East-West Bistro as the site of the Spring Banquet, and, as is his duty, told the guests of the rules of the Society.  Ms. Mingledorff rose as PR committee member to ask for suggestions for uses for the glass cabinets in the library which will be ear-marked for use of the Demosthenian society in the near future.

In Old Business: Mr. Weir rose to announce the election of Mr. Magda to statewide office in the duchy of the College Republicans.  Also, Mr. Guy was elected, after near mortal struggle, to the chairmanship of the University College Republicans.  Mr. Weir went on to donate a book to the society by and about Maggie Thatcher, of punk group Riot Grrrl fame.  He admires all three for standing up for what they believe in.

In New Business: Mr. Bowman rose to say that Americans should examine who this country belongs to and did belong to originally.  He presented:

Whereas, The cultural sovereignty of a diminished people should override the scientific curiosity of outsiders, Be It Resolved, The UGA Anthropology department should return its Native American artifacts to the tribes to which they most closely belong.

Respectfully Submitted, Derek Bowman.

Mr. Guy said that there was no written history of Native Americans, and this research would help them learn more about themselves and their history than they may learn through oral tradition alone.

Mr. Gable said that Native Americans had no property rights, really, but we should treat them as well as we expect to be treated.  Agreed with the spirit of the resolution.

--At this time, the 3 member judging committee, consisting of Mr. Pyrdum, Ms. Shillington, and Mr. VanMeter, arose to award the three cash prizes of the public speaking contest to 3 deserving winners, though they were all great speakers.

The society returned to debate, and Mr. Shumaker rose to vehemently disagree with the resolution.  He said perhaps we are beholden to the Native American peoples, but we can preserve and best help them by continuing to display the artifacts.  Perhaps, he amended, we should ask permission first.

Ms. McKinney rose to say that she, indeed, is in the anthropology department.  How Evil!  Said that they’re still putting together the maps of where different cultures lived, and it would be near impossible to decipher who lived where and when.  Said the argument has gotten political.

Mr. Weir talked of the protesters, the Student for Environmental Awareness, and said they were freaks.  Said Indian reservations have lots of casinos, and that Native Americans are only trying to turn a buck by selling the artifacts themselves.

Mr. Van Meter chose to disagree with the “Whereas” clause.  Said the way of the world is, to the victor goes the spoils.  Disagrees with the idea of “cultural property.”

Mr. Pyrdum said it’s a lose-lose situation for the white man, but that white man did bring a written, scientific tradition that aided Native America in knowing its own culture.

Mr. Miller rose in support of the resolution as a member of the Students for Environmental Awareness.  Said that the definition of “rights” is being distorted and that we must show Native Americans that we respect what they respect.

Mr. Lowe (guest) Said that we should look at it from the Native American point of view, and that they probably don't want their ancestors’ remains desecrated.  Said that if it dishonors them, then we should stop.

Ms. Shillington rose to disagree with the resolution.  Said that the study is more of an honor than a dishonor.

Mr. Choi (president) rose to make one point: Who really needs Native American bones?  He said that the resolution was about American guilt over past crimes and warned that it would open us up to other attacks of conscience.

 

A motion was made; the question was called; the resolution fails 3-8.

 

Mr. Gable then rose to ask: Why make it illegal to sell something that it is legal to give away for free?  Like, say, Prostitution.  Said that there is more benefit than harm in legalizing it.  He presented: Be It Resolved, Prostitution should be legalized in the United States.  Respectfully, Philip Gable.

Mr. Pyrdum said that there is a problem with decriminalizing prostitution in that “shining palaces of pleasure” will not immediately rise up.  He said the stereotype of pimps beating on girls doesn’t make business sense

Mr. Bjurmark (guest) said that he agrees with the resolution because we have a lot of stupid laws: Blue laws, marijuana.  Legalizing prostitution would get people off the dole, and get them to pay taxes to contribute to society.

Mr. Guy rose to say that the resolution would not be economical, and that unwanted pregnancies will increase, which will mean more people on the dole.  Said that no will register and that the underground will still reign.

Mr. Weir said that prostitution is revolting and WRONG!  The decision could only drive our nation further down into the MORAL ABYSS.  Said he doesn’t want the government sanctioning this.

Mr. Miller rose to say that he is a Libertarian and that this issue falls under that the freedom to pursue happiness.  Said that money doesn’t make something wrong, and that they make the system work in Nevada.

Mr. Lowe (guest) rose in support of the resolution.  Said he doesn’t think it’s morally right, but it should be legally right.  We should have the right to choose.

Ms. Mingledorff rose in strong disagreement to the resolution.  Talked about Sigmund Freud and the Id.  Said that prostitution is immoral, and if your mother and father would be ashamed, you shouldn’t do it.

Mr. Shumaker said he was voting for the resolution because it will make someone mad.  Said that shame is individual, and each person has rights.  Should the US govern morality?  That is the question.

Mr. Bowman said that he is not Semantics Boy, and that you should vote for the resolution if you are only voting against it for semantic reasons.  Does this make him Anti-Semantic?

Mr. Hudson admitted his fear of sex and blamed society’s hang-ups for his inadequacies.  Lamented the fact that we get more upset by sex than violence.

 

Someone called the question, and the resolution passes 5-4

 

A motion was made to adjourn, which the society did at 11:10, but only after Mr. Van Meter’s Critic’s Report.
 

Uncle Choi:       This is the last warning. No more interruptions, or I won't finish the story.

Alright?  Alright. Now, when the three Demosthenians returned, they found the

place in a frightful state. “Someone’s been drinking my punch,” cried Ms. Richie.

“Someone’s been drinking my Coke,” screamed Mr. Pyrdum, “Someone’s been

at my Lemonade,” stammered Mr. Stuart, and it’s all gone!”

Mr. Miller:        Aww. No more Lemonade.

Uncle Choi:       That’s right, now go to sleep. The three Demosthenians ran quickly up the stairs

to see if any more damage had been done.  When they arrived they saw an even

more frightening sight. They approached the bench without asking permission

and Ms. Richie said “Someone’s been sitting in my Secretary’s chair!” Mr.

Pyrdum said “Someone’s been sitting in the Vice-President's chair!” Mr. Stuart

said “Someone’s been sitting in the President’s chair, and he’s still there!”

Ms. Yarber:      That was you, wasn’t it Uncle Choi?

Uncle Choi:       Go back to sleep, now! Yes, that was me, and do you know what I did? I grabbed

the gavel and ran meetings for a whole quarter. I have held on to that gavel ever

since.

Ms. Moultrie:    Can I see?

Uncle Choi:       Maybe when you’re older. For now, good night.

Submitted Respectfully this First day of May, Nineteen Hundred Ninety Seven,

Leonard D. Hudson, Secretary.