Minutes of the DLS: October 10, 1996

 

Before poor Becky could get a good rest, she was awoken by the sound of sniffing in her ear and whiskers on her cheek.  "Get up! Get up! What a worthless maid you are!  Where did you put my handkerchief!"  Becky opened her eyes to see the same white rabbit that had walked through the door before she dozed off.  He was bouncing around the room, clearly agitated but ooh, so stylish about it.  He would bounce over to a table, lean against it, strike a pose, and then scream another epithet regarding his lost handkerchief.  Apparently, he believed that Becky was his new maid.

"Hurry up, my girl!  I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date with Dr. Douglas!" the rabbit demanded, shaking his watch chain at Becky.

"But whatever do you mean? I'm not your maid; I just dropped into your house moments ago!" Becky tried to explain.

"No matter," the rabbit shouted, "just get on your feet and start looking!"  But rather than looking for the handkerchief himself, the rabbit just settled into a chair and began reading a book.

Exasperated, Becky began to rummage around on the shelves and dressers scattered about the room.  She didn't find the handkerchief, but she happened upon several intriguing items: an invitation card from Tap Bennett, a shelf-full of books stamped as belonging to the Society, and pages and pages of documents that she knew belonged in the archives.  Fuming, she turned to face the rabbit, holding a small framed portrait of Robert Toombs. 

"I'm not so sure this belongs here..." Becky declared, staring the rabbit in the eyes.  The rabbit turned around in his chair and stylishly removed his glasses, exposing the fear in his suddenly whiter face.  "I- I- I just borrowed them for a little while.  I was going to return them...ah, did you find my handkerchief?" the suddenly meeker rabbit inquired. 

Becky advanced across the room toward the rodent.  "You're not a rabbit, you're a disgusting little pack rat!  Now how much more of this stuff do you have?"

"Ah, yes, well, like I said, I'm late!  I've got to be going now...good-bye!" With one leap, the rabbit sprang out of his chair and through the nearest window.  Becky watched him bound off down the forest path. 

The meeting was called to order at 7:35.  The order of business was changed and the Society entered Programs.  Mr. Stuart rose as Programs Chair to welcome those in attendance and announce the evening's program, a forum involving the two candidates for the 89th State House seat.  He explained the format of the evening and introduced the first speaker, Representative Keith Heard.

Mr. Heard commended the Society for its interest in public affairs and politics and thanked them for holding this forum.  He introduced himself as a lifelong Athens resident, businessman, and community activist who seeks to build up Athens and serve its citizens.  He cited teacher pay raises, the HOPE scholarship program, insurance reform, the tax cut on food, and economic growth as some of the issues he has helped to accomplish during his term.  He asked those present to let him be their employee for the next 2 years.

Ms. Ramirez introduced the second speaker of the evening, Mr. Chad Renegar.  Mr. Renegar thanked Rep. Heard for his service in government and in the community.  He explained his own candidacy as an attempt to bring a conservative voice to the House from the Athens area.  He commended Rep. Heard for his work on the 2-strikes crime legislation, but pointed out several practical courtroom problems with it.  He said he supports a law requiring a mandatory 85% of time served, noting that Athens has a particular stake in this legislation given its problems with violence against women.  He also objected to the pay raises the representatives had given themselves in the previous term.  Pledging to cut specific pork projects, he asked the Society to buck the Democratic power structure and elect him this November.

Both candidates answered questions regarding education, school vouchers, taxes, Gov. Miller's privatization program, local ballot initiative, extracurricular volunteerism, and automatic pay raises for legislators.  Both candidates were given time for closing statements, and following a 5 minute recess, the Society returned to regular business.

The minutes for the previous meeting were read and approved.  There were two first-time guests and eight second- or third-time guests.  Mr. Stuart was appointed critic, and the Society received two petitions for membership.

Mr. Weir wished he had come to Demosthenian sooner.  He said he had learned a lot in the past four weeks and looked forward to learning even more as a member.

Mr. Magda was first impressed by the Hall, but he is even more impressed now with what goes on here.  He noted that he has many friends here, and hoped to make many more as a member.  Both he and Mr. Weir were accepted into membership.

The Society entered Committee Reports and Mr. Van Meter rose for the absent Mr. Hortman to give the Finance Committee report.  He stated that the Finance Committee had approved $20 for the purchase of a Pandora yearbook, and that the ruling regarding the security deposit check as given last week is in limbo, pending a meeting with someone in Student Affairs.  The report was accepted by the Society.

The Society then entered New Business and Mr. Shumaker took the floor to say that rationalization and lack of responsibility are major problems in society today.  He presented the following:

Be It Resolved: Psychology is poison.

                                                                        Respectfully submitted,

Michael J. Shumaker

Mr. Pyrdum agreed with the presenter regarding the problem of responsibility, but said that psychology allows us to deal with things that we have no control over.  He countered that you cannot live in a system where you don't ascribe blame and acknowledge some lack of free will.

Mr. Gable, guest, would rephrase the resolution to say that psychology is "nonsense," but agreed with the resolution anyway.  Relating an obviously damaging experience with a school psychologist, he noted that psychology declared itself a science in the 1970's with little justification.

Mr. Van Meter said that if you disagree with a court ruling or a law on the books, this does not cause one to lose all respect for law; so it should be with psychology.  Arguing that psychology is simply the attempt to understand one another beyond the surface of words and actions, he declared that psychology is always being practiced and is essential to human relations.

Ms. Ramirez rose to relate how psychology has allowed her to overcome her personal difficulties arising from a trauma in her childhood.  She has acknowledged her problems of trust and has finally realized that it was not her fault.

Mr. Knoshkood, guest, maintained that psychology is the study of personal behavior, in the same way that biology is the study of life, and to discredit one decision or scientist is not to discard the entire discipline.  The presenter's goal of making people take responsibility for their actions is indeed a psychological matter, but not for those who abuse it.

Mr. Choi disagreed with the resolution, saying that it is a legitimate field and should be respected.  While psychologists who exploit others are truly poison, many people are calmed from the benefits of an outside view.

Ms. Polentz disagreed with the presenter, stating that psychologists have a stake in their patient's welfare and will help them find an answer.  Discarding the notion that psychologists are shamen or gurus or have a 100% success rate, she challenged the Society to show that some people are not helped by the practice.

Mr. Stuart rose first to tell the Society that he had delivered the letter of invitation to the Heap regarding the Intersociety Meeting, and that he was duly revered.  Turning to the resolution, he said that given the problems psychology deals with, if it has helped one person, then psychology is a success.

Ms. Moultrie, guest, stated that while she acknowledges that there are many poor practitioners of psychology, she is personally in favor of the cognitive approach, which utilizes the scientific method to derive conclusions.  She further noted that this resolution is an attempt at shifting responsibility from the patients to the psychologists.

Mr. Hodgins compared psychologists to auto mechanics, attempting to place people in comfortable categories.  This is impossible, he argued, for humans are far too complex to understand in this manner.  Further, Mr. Hodgins has taken to denying almost everyone the opportunity to ask questions, so feel free to include any questions you wished to ask here in this portion of the minutes.

The question was called and failed 2-4.

Mr. Pyrdum asked us to imagine a camera set on a tripod, and used this as a metaphor for education (the camera) set upon concepts (one being the Judeo-Christian religion).  He introduced:

Be It Resolved: The systematic removal of all things associated with the Judeo-Christian religion has robbed the American educational system of focus.

Respectfully submitted,

Carl S. Pyrdum

Mr. Stuart saw a much larger issue in the resolution, saying we lost not just the Judeo-Christian religion, but also patriotism.  The past two generations have questioned much more than we have edified, and thus have wiped away all ethics, even to the point of diminishing support for the law.

Mr. Fonsecka, guest, opposed the resolution, for he values the freedoms he is guaranteed in this country, including freedom from other people's religion.  Indoctrination stops people from asking worthwhile questions, and these questions should be encouraged.

Mr. Khoshnood, guest, first explained the background behind the Judeo-Christian ethic, which we somehow got this far in the debate without addressing.  He said a concept of salvation and spirituality was essential.

Mr. Gable, guest, argued that we should include a morality in the classroom, but that we must introduce it on a rational basis.  His experience in a Christian school drove him away from organized religion, mostly because it conflicted in too many ways with the other secular teachings of the school.

Mr. Weir agreed with the presenter's analysis and deplored the lack of faith in today's society and government.  He noted that the Judeo-Christian ethic solves many other practical problems, with respect for the law being the most important, and asked us to put this in perspective: 1 prayer a day versus 6 hours of secular teaching.

Mr. Hodgins maintained that the baby boomer generation has eliminated values and ethics from modern life.  He brought up Bill Clinton as an example of those who value nothing over themselves and have transmitted these morals to us.

Mr. Choi asked, why did we have this departure from the Judeo-Christian ethic?  Answering his own question, he found it to be a gut reaction that eliminated all spirituality in schools, a concept that should be replaced, but not in the Judeo-Christian form specifically. 

The question was called and passed 5-1.

After Mr. Stuart's critic's report, the Society adjourned at 11:36.

"I need to find that rabbit," said Becky.  "He may have Demosthenian artifacts in holes all over this property.  Something tells me he's going to be a bit slippery to catch, though."

Becky walked out the door of the house and out into the forest.  She began to walk down the path that the rabbit had taken moments before.  But before long, she had the distinct feeling she was lost.  The path kept forking in all directions, and signs of the rabbit's passage could no longer be found.  Exasperated, she sat down on a rotten log and looked around into the dark undergrowth.  She gasped when she saw a pair of eyes peering from under a bush across from where she was sitting.  But looking closer, she noticed that it looked like, strangely, the eyes weren't attached to anything!  "Things are so odd here..." Becky observed, and she walked over to the bush and lifted it up.  Sure enough, there were a pair of eyes hovering above the ground, and they looked up at Becky when she lifted the branch.

A mouth appeared out of the air under the eyes, and spoke.  "Yip! Yip! Hello senorita, I'm the Cheshire Chihuahua."  Becky stumbled back at this sudden change.  To make things stranger, the ethereal face moved out of the brush toward her.  As it grew nearer, more body parts emerged out of midair and slowly, the form of a small, yappy dog took shape. 

"You looking for rabbit?  I help you find rabbit!  I saw him bounce down path not so long ago." 

Becky was already annoyed with this strange animal's presence, but it seemed willing to help and so she couldn't afford to be hostile.  "Okay, which way did he go?" Becky asked the creature.

"Ah, that would be too easy, no?  I will show you," the Chihuahua screamed.  "In fact, I've got a whole plan for finding this rabbit.  I will go incognito, eh?  You will walk behind, and I will tell you which way he goes.  Sounds good?"

"Well, you'd probably scare him off," Becky observed.  "You're not exactly soft spoken, you know?"

"Ah, yes, then I must whisper.  THEN we will find this pesky rabbit!  Ha HA!  Come, now senorita."  The Cheshire Chihuahua bounded off down the path, and his body parts disappeared as easily as they had materialized.

"Oh dear," Becky sighed as she followed the dog, "I always seem to end up with these types.  Well, I guess that's what you get for being a Demosthenian!

Submitted this 17th day of October 1996,

Ryan J. Van Meter

Secretary