Minutes of the DLS: October 9, 1997

 

The Minutes of The Demosthenian Literary Society

October 9th, 1997

      Now for something completely different...

      "HI!  My name's Dave.  That's Dave Stevenson, International Man of Mystery to all of you all who don't really know who I am.  That's OK if you don't, because I have a heck of a time remembering my own name day-to-day.  Just call me Dave; it'll be easier for all of us.

      "Well, probably this whole story needs some background before you and I actually figure out what the heck is going on.  Well, to really excite my very Scottish girlfriend, I have decided to follow in the footsteps of another Scottish stud, Sean Connery, and become this secret agent person.  I was approached by the one that calls himself 'M,' and inducted into the Demosthenian Secret Service.  This super secret organization is run from behind closed doors, in this one mysterious one bedroom off-campus apartment, and deals with all manner of diabolical plots against all manner of Demosthenians, Heapers, and other sundry organizations such as the Roman Catholic Church.

      "What was that?!  Oh crud!!  There I go again telling all of those secrets that Mi-, er, 'M' doesn't want me to tell!!  I bet he'll be as mad about this one as he was for that whole thing where I told this real pretty girl about how he absolutely explo....."

[Insert record player needle being hastily pulled across spinning record noise here...]

      OK.  It is time for me to be this whole big Secretary person again, for things just seem to go haywire whenever Dave gets the chance to tell his story in front of a group of people without adult supervision, usually in the form of yours truly.  Anyway, Mr. Stevenson is the dashing, debonair, and delightfully Dave-like intelligence agent of the Society, and of course keeps tabs on everybody.  The only problem with Dave in this job is that though he is a thoughtful and perceptive agent, he forgets just about everything he is told before he has a chance to tell the power that is, 'M.' 

      The Society is lucky though, for Dave has his attitude advisor, Mr. Slone, a.k.a. 'Q,' who constantly tells Mr. Stevenson to be much more distrustful of all of those around him for Mr. Slone is, well, a misanthrope  ("Dave, you know, I really hate it when you do that...").  Anyway, with this dynamic duo, the Society should feel safe and secure at night.

     

      The meeting was called to order at 7:21 PM.  The Society had a flock of first time guests, including Mr. Swardup, Ms. Law, Mr. Johnson, Ms. Logan, Ms. Castle, Mr. Lewondowski, and Mr. Pratt.  Ms. Kravig was back for her third time, while You-Know-Who proved that some people can never escape the grip of the Society, know matter how much older and wiser they appear to be  (Mr. Wells was in attendance, again).  Mr. Bowman was appointed Critic, and the Society moved into Committee Reports.

Mr. Weaver told of the products fabricated by the Programs Committee in their meeting earlier in the week.  The Hall Re-Dedication will be held on February 21st, the day after the All-Night Meeting.  He also proposed a 4-Person structured debate, and promised details later.

Mr. Bowman stated that the Finance Committee approved $60 for the Pandora.  His report was approved.

Ms. Shillington requested that the Society submit pictures to her for the Pandora article.

      The Society then moved into Old Business, where

Ms. Brignac told the Society that she was going over to the Heap to begin to normalize relations or whatever...She is a much braver person than I.

Mr. Bowman explained the debate format to the guests.

      The Society then proceeded into New Business, where Mr. Bowman took the floor, and began his speech by asserting that all people are not equal.  With this, he presented the following resolution:

Be it Resolved:  Those who are unable to speak in defense of their own liberty cannot handle liberty, and those who are unwilling do not deserve it.

                        Respectfully submitted,

W.  Derek Bowman

He concluded by stating that many people confuse what they want as being what they are entitled to.  As a result of this phenomenon, many think that liberty should be handed to them.

Mr. Weaver stated that many people have the right to speak, but no one seems to exercise it.  He cited famous political philosopher Edmund Burke, who proposed that there are no rights in abstract;  rights are only earned or given.  The speaker concluded by arguing that American people are stupid and lazy.

Mr. Swardup (guest) asserted that all men were born equal, and that man was put on earth to become better.

Mr. Shumaker took exception with a previous speaker's argument that rights can be earned.  I'm sure I said some good stuff, but there are no notes for me to look at to really tell...

Mr. Bowman retook the floor and argued that if a right is to have value, then they have to be valueless.  He claimed liberty was a right, and drew a distinction between liberty and privilege.

Ms. Kravig (guest) stated that no one deserves liberty; instead it is a privilege or a gift that death earns.  She drew a comparison to Martin Luther King Jr.'s statement "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Mr. Johnson (guest) asserted that liberty is worthless if no one is there to protect it.  He told the story of how he was jailed for trying to cross the border in Bulgaria.

Mr. de Guzman argued that liberty is not denied to him because he is not an American citizen.  Liberty is instead given to members of American society, and that we protect our liberties by earning them.

Mr. Bowman rose AGAIN!!! and stated that those that didn't speak didn't earn the right to not hear him again.  He concluded, FINALLY, that if one is incapable of understanding and exercising rights, then one does not deserve liberty, but one does retain some rights.

Ms. Yarber agreed that there are some people who cannot have rights, and argued that she has a freedom to be at the meeting and to learn even if she doesn't exercise her right to speak.

Mr. Norman stated that liberty is a privilege, and that it is dictated to us from the Constitution.  He continued that one cannot earn liberty here, it is either given or taken.

Ms. Cunningham stated that liberty exists in an absolute definition.  In short, everyone deserves it.

Mr. Leuwendowski (guest) argued that the inability to defend a right does not preclude it, for our society is a society of specialists.  We choose those that are the best at defending our rights to speak for us.

      The question was called and failed by a vote of 11-1.

Ya see...It gets sorta boring hearing just my account of the minutes.  Therefore, here is Ms. Shillington's account of the next resolution, complete with accurate colloquialisms.

Mr. Shumaker took the floor next and presented the following resolution completely contrary to his very un-rad philosophy experience:

      Be it Resolved:  "Knowing enough is enough is always enough."

                              --Lao-tzu

                              Respectfully submitted,

                              Michael J. Shumaker

The speaker said that people get into trouble when they get in over their heads, and then said something complementary about his rear-end.  Or maybe that was just me talking to myself again...

Mr. Pyrdum stated that he hated to disagree, but that knowing your limits is not always this real good thing.  One must dream the impossible dream (and then try to run 10 miles like I did today).

Mr. Weaver cited the example of Columbus as contrary to the intent of the resolution.  Knowing one's limits is a defeatist attitude.

Mr. Lowe talked about how knowing one's limitations does not limit one's success.  He quoted Lao-tzu when he said, "Be the stream," evidence of the lack of tension that one should have in life.  He concluded by admitting that some butchers KNOW their meat (heh heh heh).

Ms. Kravig (guest) outdid this whole other economist person with her drawings detailing the law of Diminishing Marginal Returns.  She knows her limits.  She rules.

Mr. Leuwendoski (guest)  stated that knowing enough is enough is not enough for one must act on the knowledge.

Mr. Wells (alum) wowed the Society with his obscure reference to a Barbra Streisand/ Donna Summers disco hit that he incorporated into his sermon, which coincidentally has a lot to do with this here resolution.  He argued that more is never enough, and that if we keep on trying to have more, we'll end up old and gross.

Ms. Moultrie clarified the dumbness of the Kansas corn-fed presenter, and argued that knowing a limit was not the point of the quote at all.  Instead, the quote is an argument against the definition of success; it is not a deterrent to success.

Mr. Stuart stated that the resolution basically read, "Be it Resolved:  Complacency."  He continued by arguing that knowing enough is enough is all well and good, but it is a question of thinking versus acting.

Ms. Cunningham argued that the only limits that exist are those that are bodily.  These limits can be stretched out over time by hard work or technology, sort of like that whole Secretary doin' all sorts of push-ups...25,789 to be exact.

An impassioned Mr. Bowman took the floor and stated that philosophy IS reality, and then spoke about the origins of the quote.  He felt that it was incorrect to assume that once one has knowledge, that that is all there is.  Too bad he didn't say "Donna RULES!!"

Mr. Lowe retook the floor, and just stood there...Doing nothing...It almost drove me nuts...I mean, shouldn't he have been doing SOMETHING?!  Just STANDING THERE?!  AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!  And then he said that by doing nothing, he did have a profound effect on the Society, partly proving Lao-tzu's point.  He concluded that that rad Chinese philosopher's comments are deliberately misleading, at that these words show how logic fails at times. 

Mr. Pratt (guest)  stated that this resolution had been beaten to death, and that he had a problem with the word "always," for it can be taken to mean way too many different things.

      The question was called by that President person, and passed by a vote of 7-5.

OK.  I'm back. 

Mr. Stevenson took the floor, and recounted a recent dining-hall experience in which he lost control of his bowels.  After telling his friend the story, the two devised a scheme for Dave to get out of trouble in the quickest, least embarrassing way.  As a result of this horrifying experience, he presented the following resolution:

      Be it Resolved:  To a true friend, you can tell anything.

                        Respectfully,

                        David J. Stevenson

                        Michael J. Shumaker

Mr. Bowman (surprise, surprise) took the floor, and continued that really dopey side debate about Christopher Columbus.  He then spoke on the resolution by arguing that a true friend would try to enlighten someone else with tact.

Mr. Stuart, who took this opportunity to hit on another more willing Secretary, stated that he liked telling his friends that they are wrong.  Once this assumption is made, things tend to go better with his relationships.

Ms. Shillington argued that a true friend would spare another the details if gory or inappropriate.

Mr. Pyrdum stated that the resolution acts as a test of whether someone is a true friend or not, while one can always tell anyone anything.

Ms. Cunningham took the floor and stated that one can have a friend or an acquaintance. The real test of a friendship is in the resolving of conflicts between two people.

Mr. Slone told of his friendship with the presenter, and stated that he never knew where the boundaries would lead him (Don't we all...).  He drew a distinction between "can" and "will," and argued that in some cases little white lies are fine.

Mr. Shumaker felt that lies were antithetical to the idea of friendship; to be friends with someone, one must trust the other's judgment.  In short, in being friends with someone, trust is inherent.

Mr. Smiley stated that a true friend could not always tell him anything; if the friend wanted to tell it all, he could go to a psychiatrist.

      The question was called and passed on a vote of 9-2.

Mr. Pyrdum took the floor next, and presented the following resolution:

      Be it Resolved:  Creationism should not be taught alongside evolution is any school environment below the collegiate level.

                              Respectfully,

                              Carl Pyrdum

The speaker argued that people don't understand the science of evolution, and so they are opposed to it.  As a result, people need to stop clinging to the old and untrue, and learn the truth as biology teaches it.

Mr. Stevenson stated that a theory is something that fits the facts; evolution was a hypothesis, but is now a theory.  He concluded by arguing that it was dangerous to teach young children other scenarios:  it would only confuse them.

Mr. Weaver called the resolution evidence of society's hatred of religion.  This loss of religion is the real problem with society; man is losing sight of something bigger.

Mr. Hortman agreed with the previous speaker in that scientists are "some of the most pagan jerks around," but that the science of creationism is gaining favor in the scientific community because the evolutionary timeline is so spotty.

Mr. Wells (alum) told the Society of his own research done into what scientific creationism really believed.  In his opinion, this theory was trying, but failing, to meld the great divide between science and religion.

Mr. Bowman argued that neither side in this debate was going to die out anytime soon, due to the great level of noise each produced.  He agreed with the resolution, and stated that the job of science is to pursue knowledge, while religion was after something completely different.

Mr. Norman argued that we should not teach either in such low level classes for both theories are far too complex for the kids to understand.

Ms. Cunningham argued for the separation of church and state; she felt that federal tax dollars should not be spent to teach creationism.

Mr. Weaver retook the floor, and apologized for sounding like a zealot in his last speech.  He clarified his remarks by stating that society is anti-religious, and that the government inhibits religion by neither supporting it nor funding it.

Mr. Hortman stated that people were labeling each other by the tone of their arguments.

Ms. Visser agreed with the resolution because she felt that religion is not about science, it is about faith.  With this dichotomy in mind, it would be incorrect to teach creationism; it is contrary to the goals of religion.

      The question was called and passed by a vote of 10-3.

Following Mr. Bowman's Critic's Report, the Society adjourned at 11:45 PM.

 

      "Well, it me Dave again...I'm whispering so that mean Shumaker won't come and hear me telling you all of these stories about how he dresses up in women's clothing and prances around in bars...Here he comes now."

      Anyway, the whimsical Double-O Dave and his friend 'Q' were in the office of 'M,' which was punctuated by a fifteen foot portrait of the lost Mr. Gable, doing his best impersonation of Marilyn Monroe over a vent in the sidewalk.  It was time for Dave and his team to go back out into the field, and this project was going to be rough; the two were to assassinate two members deemed deleterious to debate:  Mr. Pyrdum and Mr. Bowman.

      "Ya see here folks, these here people are just evil.  They monopolize the debate, and give multiple speeches, making a certain Secretary's life a living hell.  I mean that damn Yankee Bowman gave three speeches on his own damn Yankee resolution!!  I mean really..."

      "Well, uuhhhh, boss, how do we get 'em?" said Dave, worried at the prospect of taking another human life.

      "Yeah, I hate killing people.  Actually, I just hate everything," moaned the omnipresent 'Q.'

      "OK...Here's the plan...You've got to keep it Top Secret...We're going to make them live together...MWAH HAH HAH HAH!!!"

      The intrigue continues, next week...

     

Respectfully submitted this sixteenth day of October, 1997

Michael J. Shumaker